Thanks Mike also for the input. I think it is important in this discussion to have a connection to the board, otherwise anything we say is pure speculation. For example, all I can do about the apprenticeship program is speculate, since I'm not a part of it, even so all we can do about inner workings of the guild is speculate, since we are not there in it.
I think a great deal of Joel also, and I hate to see him slandered in any way. Even if he made some mistakes (don't know myself) we have to remember what all he did for building the guild. You don't find success by blaming others, it doesn't work that way (DISCLAIMER: this is NOT a political statement, do not take it that way)
Jay, I'll reply to your post on another thread, since I don't want to lead the conversation off topic here.
