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Blood Paint

Posted By: D L Bahler

Blood Paint - 08/03/11 03:36 PM

For the project I am currently involved in, I may be making a large quantity of blood paint. For those of you who do not know, blood paint is a type of tempera that uses blood serum as the binding agent. Blood serum is the liquid portion of blood with the cells removed, and is historically made by letting blood set outside for a week or so and skimming off the solids that congeal on the surface. It is not accurate to call the serum plasma, because it is more than just the blood plasma. However, with the cells removed it no longer contains the portions prone to disease and rotting.

This blood paint contains a pigment of sorts, which is usually some kind of dirt or other mineral pigment. Often times it will also contain a large amount of linseed oil but not always.

With this mixture, all three portions play an important role. The blood is an extremely durable binder, possibly the most durable binder ever used in paint. It can last for hundreds of years in full exposure to the weather. The pigment is important to preserving the wood also. It serves to block out UV light. Mineral pigments are used because they are stable and unaffected by UV light. The linseed oil (boiled is often used from what I can tell) penetrates the wood and protects it and the paint itself from insect and fungus.

Often times, instead of the oil being in the paint, the wood is first impregnated with linseed oil. Either way, the oil does help the paint to adhere to the wood.

According to tradition, there is a door on a house in Denmark that was painted with a single coat of Ox Blood paint in 1690, and has not been re-coated or repainted since. (Priors Hus, Ærøskøbing)

That is what I do know...

Now, I am in the search for suitable pigments. Historically many different pigments have been used. I know that this type of paint was used in German speaking lands to paint about any exterior exposed wood. However, from region to region the pigment used varies quite a bit. For example, in Zürich the paint is always a deep red, which is not from the blood but from an oxide ocher prominent in the region. However, in Bern the paint is a very dark brown, once again due to local pigments. In Germany, various shades of brown and red are used, with some reds fairly bright. However, it is always the case that a building will be painted the same color as those around it.
In France, it seems the color of the paint varies a lot in a single town (though I am not certain that blood paint was used here)

I am interested in what natural materials I may be able to get from around me here that would yield the desirable colors. I am particularly interested in a dark brown. I am exclusively looking for mineral colors. We have an abundance of peat-rich soil, which is a black-brown. However, I have my doubts as to its stability over time since its color is do to the presence of the peat, which is partially rotted plant matter.

DLB
Posted By: daiku

Re: Blood Paint - 08/04/11 01:19 PM

My brother used a similar blood binder in the rammed earth floor of his strawbale house. They ended up tiling over it because the smell was so strong. Just a data point for you. CB.

PS: Coffee is brown.
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 08/04/11 08:40 PM

Did they remove the solids from the blood as I mentioned here? As I understands it, the solids will spoil and produce a foul smell but the serum will not. A lot of paint recipes don's say anything about separating the two, but to me it seems like it should certainly be done. It should be mentioned though, this would also be an exterior application.

It apparently used to be common practice in some places for people with dirt floor houses to pour the serum on their floors to help harden them. Linseed oil was also apparently used in this way...

DLB
Posted By: Tim Reilly

Re: Blood Paint - 08/07/11 04:07 AM

Wow! Very cool. Thanks for the information DLB. I am really interested in trying this myself now smile

Cheers,

Tim
Posted By: Tim Reilly

Re: Blood Paint - 08/07/11 04:41 AM

Wow! Very cool. Thanks for the information DLB. I am really interested in trying this myself now smile

Cheers,

Tim
Posted By: Cecile en Don Wa

Re: Blood Paint - 08/07/11 02:11 PM

Hello,

Alternative for a bucket o' blood from the butcher - if you have one in your neighborhood - dried blood pellets from the garden shop. Beter check what's in it. Mostly it will just be blood though. Also it's a way to keep it on hand for when needed 'cause you can't store up fresh blood to long. I have used in clay work, (flooring), along with linseed oil mixed in there, with great success giving improved hardness and bonding, no undesirable after effects once dried.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 08/07/11 04:49 PM

Don, for myself personally obtaining blood is no problem. As a hunter, I have access to all the deer blood I would want. Also I help butcher some times and as such can have access to cow blood. I suspect that hog blood should be avoided though, and until anyone proves to me otherwise I refuse to use it.

For others though, getting blood may not be so easy and so your suggestion of blood pellets is a good thing. Thanks for the idea. It would also be good as you said for use during a time when fresh blood cannot be had, which is most of the year since we butcher in the late fall or winter. Also most people can't get the blood, because local butcher shops do not slaughter their own animals any more but buy them pre-skinned and ready to carve.

Another thing about blood pellets is that it may significantly reduce the 'nasty factor'. You dont have to gather and separate the blood, which is a big plus, and you dont have to store liquid blood.

It is also possible to freeze the blood serum, and store it that way.

I am still looking for information on pigments, especially natural earth pigments that can well stand up to UV rays. In blood paint on timbers, the main purpose of the pigment is to shield the wood from UV light.

As understand it, dirt is just a fine pigment. The only problem with using regular soil is that it is inconsistent in its color. This may not be a problem for you when you first paint, but later when you have to repaint, or maybe add on and must paint the new to match the old you may have a very hard time finding new dirt to match the old. So for consistency, it is good to 'mine' a pigment from somewhere with a very consistent color to it, which was certainly done in the past, or even better is to produce your own pigment through chemical process. An example of this is the Red Oxide pigment used to paint many old barns in America, which could be simply made by extractive iron oxide from the soil. This substance is very abundant in America (around here, our drinking water is slightly orange before going through the softener because there is so much iron in it)and blocks UV light very well, which explains its popularity as a wood cover. You can also obtain black oxides and yellow oxides from iron-rich deposits. Around here I can simply obtain a deep orange oxide from he ground, especially along creek banks that run near peat bogs.

In other instances, the prevalent paint color used is a result of significant mineral deposits in the area.
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 07:07 AM

Hello,

Some results of the trip to the butcher:


Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 03:53 PM

Don,
photos don't seem to load
even when I click "open image in new tab"
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 08:50 PM

Hi Dave,

Strange, I have them right here before my eyes on my computer. I'll try this though;


And then go here for the moving pictures.

Hope that helps.

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 10:17 PM

Don, they all show up now. Must have been a server error at that time when I tried to view them earlier
Posted By: Joel McCarty

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 10:22 PM

everything working up here on the Forums?
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 07/10/12 10:24 PM

Yes it seems to be. I think it was an error on the part of the server where the photos are located, as the errors I got when trying to open them had nothing to do with UBB threads or any such. But all is well now

On back to the topic though, Don would you share your process and technique?
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/11/12 02:24 PM

Hello,

Well I'll just explain how I mixed it up and put in on then. The surprising thing is the entire hoax of the wood surface coatings industry which in the most cases sells those who patronize an inferior product along with creating untold, and unpaid for, environmental damage and costs. On the face of it I can put the clean-up and what's left over from this paint on my garden.
We begin so...

"Rinderblut - am Montag,Serum - am Donnerstag abgeschöpft."
1l of this blood
30dl serum
1/4kg slaked lime
1/2kg natural iron oxide pigment
30ml lime water
and about 1 tbs ox gall extract

It was my first time with this mixture so I didn't know what to expect but I have used what is called kookverf here which is a boiled rye flour based paint and it came out looking similar, that is, thick and, well, fluffy. If this is troublesome to you maybe drop a couple tablets of Alka Seltzer® in there.

Once the binder is mixed up it can be given a color and that's what I am doing in the video up there . It's handy to know before hand how much pigment goes in instead of trying to slowly bring it to the right color. That's one of the most time consuming things about paint making.

Like I said, it is thick in consistency so putting it on means rubbing it in, but it does give an excellent cover in one coating. It did darken a bit in the first weeks afterwords.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 07/11/12 05:35 PM

For those who don't understand Don's German, it would say,

"Cow's blood -on Monday, Serum -on Thursday skimmed off."

In other words, cows blood collected on monday and let to sit till thursday at which time the clot is skimmed off leaving behind the 'serum' which is basically plasma
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/11/12 07:19 PM

Indeed, it's what the old Germans would advise.
Posted By: Rolland Elliott

Re: Blood Paint - 07/12/12 03:10 AM

"The surprising thing is the entire hoax of the wood surface coatings industry which in the most cases sells those who patronize an inferior product along with creating untold, and unpaid for, environmental damage and costs."

Why is paint a hoax? I've painted a LOT of things and never had any environmental issues when used correctly.
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/12/12 11:41 AM

Hi Rolland,

Paint is an aspect, an option, a consideration... a coating. It's not a hoax. The only hoax is the mystery of it perpetrated for commerce, and your right, if and when resorted to one would want to be correct in its use. When we get into the petrochemicals, synthesized pigmentation, dispersants and solvents widely used nowadays not to mention lead and other heavy metals and toxins common in the past and still present in latent forms, we can understand that the environment, soils, air, water, the rooms of our living spaces, are not unaffected.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: D L Bahler

Re: Blood Paint - 07/12/12 03:52 PM

If you use oil-based paint,

have a quick look some time at what those solvents do to your brain cells.

If you use water based paint,

have a look at what poisons they put in them to stop spoilage in a concoction that would other wise be a haven for mold and bacteria.

If you make your own paint, spoilage isn't a concern because you make what you need, and as Don points out if you have extra, throw it on your garden.

But natural coatings are all but impossible to sell commercially, because they don't have the shelf life or the ease of use of modern polymer-based paints.

And by the way, vinyl chloride, which is in just about any polymer paint (you know it in the form of poly vinyl chloride, or PVC or just vinyl) is a known and highly potent carcinogen.

I'm a big fan of not using deadly poison to paint my house...

Don brings out the environmental concerns, a valid point depending on where you are, much more valid in more settled areas of the world, or areas where people tend to be careless about how they handle chemicals, like China. My concern is the personal hazard, one we are apt to ignore for some odd reason.
Posted By: Rolland Elliott

Re: Blood Paint - 07/12/12 06:00 PM

I typically get low VOC or No odor paint. I can't stand the chemical smell of paint. It is usually a good week or two before I step into a place that has just been painted. I don't know how some people paint a room and then sleep in the house the next day.
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/13/12 07:04 AM

Hello,

VOC - verenigde oostindische companie in Dutch or United East India Co. in English, the first corporation in the world?

Wow no odor paint. I wonder what they put in it to mask/remove the smell. This one is painted with eggs and that stank/ stunk the whole house for three days. After that no problems though. Could have used some of that VOC maybe.



Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: bmike

Re: Blood Paint - 07/13/12 11:48 AM

VOC - volatile organic compound

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_organic_compound
Posted By: D Wagstaff

Re: Blood Paint - 07/24/12 02:42 PM

Hello,

I see a bit late that friend Bahler had piped in there just as the page flipped over, an unlucky position for one to land in, with the idea that the market rejects our method of painting because such paint is perishable. Oh? And hot pizzas delivered to my front door then? Or that it is inconvenient, Both untrue. No, it's not a question of limited shelf life but of distribution or even more to the core it is a question of consolidation and its consequences on the choices we have.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
Posted By: Gumphri

Re: Blood Paint - 07/25/12 01:34 AM

I used some no voc paint on a leeds project awhile ago. It was the first paint I've used that didn't make me sick. I have a theory they went back partly to a milk paint formula.
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