Re: Toe peg
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02/07/08 12:50 PM
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The first time I just breezed through the pictures. Then, Dereks post made me take a second look. Now that was a good laugh. Spline thingy and dynamite. Wow! BB, where did you find this? It looks like a panel screw on top of the rafter as well. Maybe some hot glue. Tim This is a frame a friend just purchased and had raised by the same company. I would rather not say which company. Some elements of the frame were done very well and others not so well.
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Re: Toe peg
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02/08/08 09:43 AM
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Is there a clear definition of toe peg? If you use a half lap joint, say in a cruck frame, at the yoke, that is the piece near the top conecting the two cruck blades, and it is pegged with 2 pegs per side driven at angles to assist in holding the joint together, would they be toe pegs? I have also found some joinery I did 6 years ago where I used "toe pegs" and didn't even think about it. Will post pictures as soon as I figure out the details and have the time. Tim
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Re: Toe peg
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02/08/08 12:55 PM
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That spline looks as though they glued it to the tie. There is no sign of a mortise in that post.
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Re: Toe peg
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02/08/08 01:43 PM
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Is there a clear definition of toe peg? I'm thinking it would be where a peg is driven into a face of a timber at such an angle that it exits the timber through an adjacent face. So, angled pegs into a scarf or other lap joint would not in my opinion be toe pegs, as they exit through an opposite face.
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Re: Toe peg
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02/08/08 11:37 PM
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I like Gabel's definition, a peg or nail that passes through adjacent faces, rather than opposite faces.
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Re: Toe peg
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02/09/08 10:34 AM
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Not to drag or tow this on much futher but adjacent and opposite is starting to sound like trigonomerty to me. The dictonary tells me it a nail/peg driven obliquely, as to join vertical and horizontal beams. Typically we place our pegs square through the joint, not at an angle. I would say any peg driven at a angle would be toe pegged, reguardless of adjacent or opposite faces. Tim
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Re: Toe peg
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02/10/08 01:19 AM
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come on guys, we're not talking trig where I agree that adjacent and opposite are pretty convoluted and have always been hard for me to relate to.
we're talking about a stick of wood -- if the peg don't come out the opposite face, its a toe peg.
angled pegs are different.
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Re: Toe peg
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02/10/08 12:28 PM
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How about "obliquely anchored toe pegs". The time we used them there was no room to put the post on the beam via mortice and tenon and install it as a unit. The beam went in than the post and to secure, we used OATP's instead of metal fasteners. Tim
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Re: Toe peg
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02/10/08 03:09 PM
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Anchor peg sounds better! So it sounds to me that in the right application this would be an acceptable practice. The bottoms of the rafter feet to the plate connection look ok and seem to serve their function. I just cant help but think the ones trying to reach the spline under that grit are an after thought and unsightly. Would you guys think this connection could be a point of contention for the owner? Yes i'm trying to drag this one out... BB
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Re: Toe peg
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02/10/08 03:09 PM
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If toe pegging relates to toe nailing, then the fastener is traveling from a face to the end, or the adjacent face..... It's really not the best way to fasten something, though quite common in stick framing in my experience.
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