Has anyone ever seen or heard of this?? I was told that they are toe pegs. Rafter to top plate connection had them, peg driven on an angle from the top through a short stub tenon in rafter. Some of the others were placed to reach the splines.
Posting these photos is giving me fits! Can anyone tell me how to get the photos in the post and not as a link?


www.snapfish.com

www.snapfish.com

To post a picture you need to have it hosted at a site where this forum can get access to it. At that site there is usually a line where you can copy the pictures location address to your computer's clipboard. Then in the regular reply window, not the quick reply window there is an icon for image placement. You click on this and it inserts two tags with square ended brackets around your image location address, like this {IMG}http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c14/Jim_Rogers/Raftersatpeak.jpg{/IMG}
but with square brackets so that it produces an image like this:


Hope that helps...

Jim Rogers

[img][/img] http://render1.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6RKKt%3Axxr%3D0-qpDofRt7Pf7mrPfrj7t%3DzrRfDUX%3AeQaQxg%3Dr%3F87KR6xqpxQQn0xllaxQJPxv8uOc5xQQQG0lo00eeolqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gX0QQ0o%7CRup6lQQ%7C/of=50,590,442 [img][/img]

[img][/img] http://render1.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6RKKt%3Axxr%3D0-qpDofRt7Pf7mrPfrj7t%3DzrRfDUX%3AeQaQxg%3Dr%3F87KR6xqpxQQn0xllaxQJPxv8uOc5xQQQG0lo00eoQJqpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gX0QQJQ%7CRup6lQQ%7C/of=50,590,442 [img][/img]

This is a photo test. The snapfish links in my first post also show the toe pegs.

almost there... just remove the [/img] from before and the [img] after the addy. You should only have one [img] before and one [/img] after the url

another issue you're having with those two pics is that silly snapfish pic address. It has to be .jpg image for the code to work, that one is not. I always recommend photobucket for sharing photos on line, they even put the [img] code together for you, all you do is copy and paste the links... super easy...
g/l

I think I got it this time. Photobucket is the way to go!
Now what do you make of this toe peg?? Thanks BB

That oak spline definitely looks fake to me......

That spline had a 90 degree cut where it exited the post and dropped to the bottom of the beam. I think they were trying to reach the spline with that "toe peg"???

dodgy.

I'm with gabel on that one.

The first time I just breezed through the pictures. Then, Dereks post made me take a second look. Now that was a good laugh. Spline thingy and dynamite. Wow! BB, where did you find this? It looks like a panel screw on top of the rafter as well. Maybe some hot glue. Tim

This is a frame a friend just purchased and had raised by the same company. I would rather not say which company. Some elements of the frame were done very well and others not so well.

Is there a clear definition of toe peg? If you use a half lap joint, say in a cruck frame, at the yoke, that is the piece near the top conecting the two cruck blades, and it is pegged with 2 pegs per side driven at angles to assist in holding the joint together, would they be toe pegs? I have also found some joinery I did 6 years ago where I used "toe pegs" and didn't even think about it. Will post pictures as soon as I figure out the details and have the time. Tim

That spline looks as though they glued it to the tie. There is no sign of a mortise in that post.

I'm thinking it would be where a peg is driven into a face of a timber at such an angle that it exits the timber through an adjacent face.

So, angled pegs into a scarf or other lap joint would not in my opinion be toe pegs, as they exit through an opposite face.

I like Gabel's definition, a peg or nail that passes through adjacent faces, rather than opposite faces.

Not to drag or tow this on much futher but adjacent and opposite is starting to sound like trigonomerty to me. The dictonary tells me it a nail/peg driven obliquely, as to join vertical and horizontal beams. Typically we place our pegs square through the joint, not at an angle. I would say any peg driven at a angle would be toe pegged, reguardless of adjacent or opposite faces. Tim

come on guys, we're not talking trig where I agree that adjacent and opposite are pretty convoluted and have always been hard for me to relate to.

we're talking about a stick of wood -- if the peg don't come out the opposite face, its a toe peg.

angled pegs are different.

How about "obliquely anchored toe pegs". The time we used them there was no room to put the post on the beam via mortice and tenon and install it as a unit. The beam went in than the post and to secure, we used OATP's instead of metal fasteners. Tim

Anchor peg sounds better!
So it sounds to me that in the right application this would be an acceptable practice. The bottoms of the rafter feet to the plate connection look ok and seem to serve their function. I just cant help but think the ones trying to reach the spline under that grit are an after thought and unsightly. Would you guys think this connection could be a point of contention for the owner?
Yes i'm trying to drag this one out... BB

If toe pegging relates to toe nailing, then the fastener is traveling from a face to the end, or the adjacent face..... It's really not the best way to fasten something, though quite common in stick framing in my experience.

Looks like a size 11. I hear they hire one guy just to walk on the timbers...

I have had Great Pyrenees tracks before, they were great. Winter raisings are not so good for tracks, their much more likly in the warmer seasons. Tim

Maybe, if they are from the clients most beloved K-9. Tim