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what beam would you use for this 25' span #16939 09/26/08 10:34 PM
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I'm building a shop beside the house. The roof will be galvalum with a 1/12 pitch. The building will be 30' x 40'. For 3 of the beams I'd like to skip a post and span 25'. Live in Alabama, so there's no real snow weight risk. I'd prefer to cut a beam, or sandwich with plywood two beams, but am wondering if this is practical. How much less expensive is glulam over iron? What dimension beam would be necessary here? Oh yeah, the posts I'm using will set on a concrete base. 2x6 rafters every 24". Planning 6x6 posts, but I have some 12" dia telephone poles I've thought of using.

Any help would be appreciated.

Re: what beam would you use for this 25' span [Re: rwf] #16954 09/28/08 03:37 AM
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First,I think you'll find that pitch inadequate
I'd check into LVL's (laminated veneer lumber, ~plywood beams) if cost is an issue. Typically they are less expensive than glulam or steel. The building supply contractors desk will have sizing software for them.

It sounds as though this would be trussed rafter construction, rafters and a ceiling joist spliced over a kingpost arrangement for a 30' clearspan. I'll walk thru it that way at any rate. Back to the rafters, at low pitches the horizontal thrust becomes tremendous as the rafters try to snap through. The ceiling joists must restrain this force. That is another topic but must be considered carefully.


The tributary area would be half the 30' (15' bears on the beam, 15' bears on the back wall), times 25' (the beam's span)=375 square feet of roof bearing on the beam. Assuming very, very light loading of 10 pounds per square foot I'll call the load 3750 pounds uniformly distributed along the length of this simple span.

There is a pamphlet of beam formulas for various conditons here;
http://www.awc.org/Publications/download.html
Scroll down that page and pick up DA-6 and the 2005 Supplement-Design Values for Wood Construction



Maximum bending moment is in the center of the beam (notice the graph)
Mmax=wl^2/8
the w is load per inch of beam, 3750 lbs/300" span=12.5 lbs per inch uniformly bearing on the beam.

Mmax=(12.5*300*300)/8
Mmax=140625 inch lbs

Bamalama is full of fine southern yellow pine. Looking it up as a solid sawn beam in table 4D in the supplement it has an allowable base Fb (extreme fiberstress in bending) value in #2 grade of 850 psi.I'm going to bump that 15% for roof use so Fb 978 psi.

required section modulus=140625/978=143.788"^3
looking that up in the front of the supplement (We can trial and error it the hard way,bd^2/6, I'm being lazy and will look it up)6x14 works as does an 8x12 and a 10x10 is so close I'd consider it. Deeper is stiffer...

...extreme fiber. That doesn't mean it participates in extreme sports or is under extreme stress. The extreme fiber is the one furthest from the neutral axis of the beam, in this case the extreme bottommost sliver of wood, the one that would first tear in the middle bottom of the beam under bending stress. That fiber is allowed to safely withstand 978 pounds per square inch of stress.

You still need to check horizontal shear, V and deflection the formulas for these are in the pic.


Re: what beam would you use for this 25' span [Re: Don P] #16955 09/28/08 02:11 PM
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I'm no good at long strings of calculations and am apt to make a mistake along the way. So I wrote this into a Javascript some time ago. You still need to understand the basics from above though.
http://www.windyhilllogworks.com/Calcs/beamcalc.htm

I set it up to use total load so enter 3750 lbs
I used 1.2 for E and 165 psi for shear
The max moment outputs in foot lbs, my mind wraps around bending torque better that way, busted knuckles imprint deeply laugh

Now, you're probably thinking I ain't got a lick of common sense specifying a beam of that dimension for that span.

Do this, run it the first time using the 3750 lb load, 300" span, 7.25" wide x 11.25" deep beam. Notice the Max moment. Now divide the load and span in half to 1875 lbs and 150". Divide the beam thickness by 4 making it 1.8125" wide. Notice the max moment again.

This is where our common sense usually fails us. In doubling a span the bending force does not double, it quadruples. The span doubled AND the load doubled.

If anyone wants that calc right click and "save as", it'll run offline, its simply the formulas from above.

Re: what beam would you use for this 25' span [Re: Don P] #16958 09/28/08 06:15 PM
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This should give you a quick run through of the axial thrust down the rafter and at the midlap of the ceiling joist ;
http://www.windyhilllogworks.com/Calcs/Sloped%20Rafter%20Design%20for%20Bending1.htm
Notice the rafter dimension required, also the thrust. Then kick the pitch up to a 4/12 or greater and notice the thrust.


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