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2 structures?! #18184 02/16/09 05:58 AM
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Hi,

How do we build without over doing? Timber Frame + SIP. must be another way. but we must keep them conditioned. no more breathing buildings. got to be a better way. anybody know of a perfect climate?

Re: 2 structures?! [Re: mo] #18186 02/16/09 09:03 AM
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Hi Mo,

Perfect climate for the building or the people in it ?

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Ken Hume


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Re: 2 structures?! [Re: mo] #18188 02/16/09 11:46 AM
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No such thing as perfect. I think we can get close but not all the way there. I would try the clay wood chip way myself.

Tim

Re: 2 structures?! [Re: mo] #18264 02/18/09 06:52 PM
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You're right on the money with that one - timber frame + SIP IS a bad idea. I have always thought that, since I first got interested in timber framing in the 90's. I did a recent blog posting (yesterday) at some length on that topic in fact. There are excellent alternative solutions I believe, though 'perfection', as such, is unattainable. Let's say there are better adaptations and wiser uses of material, methods employing local materials and lower embedded energy building. I'm planning to spend a fair bit of time exploring that topic in coming postings on my blog, so I'll hold off on commenting further here.

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Re: 2 structures?! [Re: Chris Hall] #18281 02/19/09 12:12 PM
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Florida in the winter was quite close to perfect. Or Spring in Maine, just before blackflies.

Foam comes very near perfect as an insulator. But I believe the walls on our homes need to multitask. Just as there is no ideal vehicle, truck, car or somewhere in between, our walls fall into the same dilemma. Indoor air quality is one factor. Thermal mass comes into the picture, foam has none. Comfort levels of the individual varies, this is a determinant for the wall system used.

Tim

Re: 2 structures?! [Re: TIMBEAL] #18380 03/01/09 01:09 AM
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OK. Is the sip more important as a shear wall or an insulator?

Re: 2 structures?! [Re: ] #18383 03/02/09 10:58 AM
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I want to hear from someone that says they are important and why. Where are the sip fans?

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Re: 2 structures?! [Re: TIMBEAL] #18386 03/02/09 03:57 PM
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SIPS work wonders on a timber frame.


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Don't hold back, give us the skinny on SIPS.

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Re: 2 structures?! [Re: ] #18399 03/03/09 01:38 PM
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Sips are a bridge from the timber frame to the commercial market. They make sense to wealthy customers who are willing to pay for them, and they get the GC, who typically isn't the timber framer, something he understands how to work with.

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