Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/16/09 10:08 AM
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here is my guess.
12 x12 x12 = 1728 for 3D Daisy Wheel , 1728/64 = 27
3D Daisy Wheel will divide by 64 but it will look more like a Dandelion.
What he said, Don. Thanks for the correlation, Tom. Tim
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/16/09 01:33 PM
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I'm having trouble following what you guys are saying. What do you mean "wheel inside of wheel?" What determines the spacing between wheels, etc?
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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You're on a roll today, Derek.
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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I'm having trouble following what you guys are saying. What do you mean "wheel inside of wheel?" What determines the spacing between wheels, etc? All the Daisy Wheels intersect at the center point in the Dandelion Sphere. Each point on the outside of the Sphere is the intersect of 3 "wheels". 12 cubed. 3 is the magic number because we're dealing with equilateral triangles that make up a regular tetrahedron. Three lines meeting at 60 deg. just like the Daisy Wheel. If you take 3 equilateral triangles or half a Daisy Wheel and cut them out and fold them to make a 3D object (a regular tetrahedron), You magically get a fourth equilateral triangle. 3 x 4 = 12 3 x 3 x 3 = 27. or 3 cubed ( there's the 27 ) and 3 cubed x 64 = 12 cubed Remember thats One, Two, Three. Three licks to the center of a Tootsepop. very important. Lest we not forget, Daisy Wheels have 6 points and everything is 60 deg., and then they have a dark side or Yin to their Yang, 6 points half way in between, That makes 12 and also gives us 45 & 90 deg. If you divide the Daisy Wheel any further you get nothing but nasty fractions, 22 1/2, 11 1/4, 5 5/8, ...... Not much use to a carpenter, unless you are doing mitre cuts, then it's exactly what you need. I'd be hard pressed to set my Starrett protractor to 5/8 of a deg. The axle width combined with wheel offset determines the space between your wheels. If the wheels have to much back spacing they may not clear your brake calipers. Happy Wheelin'
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/16/09 07:56 PM
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The Dandelion Sphere would look something like this.
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/16/09 10:40 PM
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All the Daisy Wheels intersect at the center point in the Dandelion Sphere. Each point on the outside of the Sphere is the intersect of 3 "wheels". 12 cubed. 3 is the magic number because we're dealing with equilateral triangles that make up a regular tetrahedron. Three lines meeting at 60 deg. just like the Daisy Wheel.
If you take 3 equilateral triangles or half a Daisy Wheel and cut them out and fold them to make a 3D object (a regular tetrahedron), You magically get a fourth equilateral triangle. 3 x 4 = 12
3 x 3 x 3 = 27. or 3 cubed ( there's the 27 ) and 3 cubed x 64 = 12 cubed
Remember thats One, Two, Three. Three licks to the center of a Tootsiepop. very important. Lest we not forget, Daisy Wheels have 6 points and everything is 60 deg., and then they have a dark side or Yin to their Yang, 6 points half way in between, That makes 12 and also gives us 30 & 90 deg. If you divide the wheel again you get 24 points and 15 & 45 deg. If you divide the Daisy Wheel any further you get nothing but nasty fractions, 22 1/2, 11 1/4, 5 5/8, ...... Not much use to a carpenter, unless you are doing mitre cuts, then it's exactly what you need. I'd be hard pressed to set my Starrett protractor to 5/8 of a deg.
The axle width combined with wheel offset determines the space between your wheels. If the wheels have to much back spacing they may not clear your brake calipers.
Happy Wheelin'
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/17/09 11:14 AM
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Derek, you were up late. In the video I posted the speaker mentioned the 64 tetrahedron grid being inscribed on an obelisk within the great pyramid, I think, the odd part, he suggest it is not just scratched on, it is burned into the internal make up of the stone, you can't scratch it off, it is imbedded in the stone. If this all is true, I don't know. What is true is the daisy wheel was not just a method used to build with, it has underlying or overlying complications, to use it as a building tool is part of its fractal usage, reaching singularity at that point. Meaning, don't look for anything more or anything less.
We have been building tetrahedrons with Q-tips and hot glue, we are moving into the shop to build a full scale human size one today.
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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The book, The Old Way of Seeing, has some interesting information on the golden section, various cultural measuring systems, the pentagram (5 pointed star), and of course the daisy wheel and more.
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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I've got to get that book, The Old Way of Seeing. Sounds like some good information. Many people have commented on it, which usually means there's something to take away from its pages. A daisy wheel in the pyramids is unexpected. This seems to suggest the wheel was employed before timber framing. And the pyramids were some time before “Christianity.”
Derek,
You've been busy. You should apply for a grant! The Patron Saint of the Wheel is an interesting element to bring in and points to the "sacredness" or "importance" of certain geometric configurations. And interestingly, she was not pagan. Do the angles in the paintings correlate to the angles in the wheel?
Ken,
Can you ask Laurie Smith to comment on my question: whether the wheel has its origins as a building device or was there some other purpose? He may not be able to answer the question, but it would be helpful to hear his response—someone who has studied the wheel some.
I just got my hands on the back issues (TF No. 70 and 90) but have yet to paw over the text. Anyone else care to comment on these articles?
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Re: Daisy Wheel
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05/18/09 03:49 PM
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Recently I heard a speaker talking about the "wheel" not the daisy wheel but the wheel itself.
He said the person who invented the wheel was smart.
But the person who put two of them on an axle to make a cart was a genius.....
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