Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26660 06/18/11 08:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
nebruks Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
Hello everyone up here.

I and my friend (master blacksmith) made chisels and a slick for my upcoming Timber Framing project. He made the steel parts. I made handles and leather tip guards. In my opinion chisels and the slick came out very high quality. So the idea was born - to start my Timber Framing hand tool company and export them worldwide.

Is there anyone who can give me some advice or some dealer/manager or craftsmen who are interested to take apart in my new idea.

Chisels ar made from high quality carbon steel.

The steel is fully hand forged, we don't use a pneumatic hammer. The facture of the tools looks antique.

Handles are made from ash tree and then linseed oiled.

They come with handmade leather tip guards.

Chisel width: 2" and 1 and 1/2"

Slick width: 3"

Thank you.

Jacob

Here is a link to flickr photostream:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/64220150@N06/sets/72157626991499540/





[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5311/5845851423_0da2649bc4_b.jpg[/img]

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26662 06/18/11 10:12 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
D L Bahler Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
These look good, if the price is right I am sure you could find a good market for them.

Where are you located? I might have a proposition for you.

DLB


Was de eine ilüchtet isch für angeri villech nid so klar.
http://riegelbau.wordpress.com/
Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice [Re: D L Bahler] #26665 06/19/11 04:05 AM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
nebruks Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
Hi Bahler.

Thanks for your assessment.

I am located in Europe - Latvia (Baltic States). Last autumn I was in Sweden/Gransfors Bruks axe factory. So that gave me more inspiration of hand tools.

About the price. There are similar hand forged TF chicels and slicks:

http://www.caribooblades.com/framingchisels.html

I think that this price is too high.

What do you think - what would be the best acceptable price for this kind of hand work?

Jacob

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26667 06/19/11 04:23 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
D L Bahler Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
Can you manufacture axes as well?

My framing is largely dependent on axes, I find I can cut a mortise faster with an axe than with a saw, and enjoy the work better. I have learned a lot from Central European traditions, especially Swiss and Austrian (and have bought a number of old tools from Hungary)

Yes, those chisels on the link are outrageously expensive! Ei der Jammer!

http://barrtools.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=BT&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=FBC
this might be a little more accurate of a comparison, and this company is often held up as the standard to go by.

I ask about axes, because there are a number of axes that I use (and a few that I need) that are only available to me through 1 manufacturer, which is in Austria.


Was de eine ilüchtet isch für angeri villech nid so klar.
http://riegelbau.wordpress.com/
Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26668 06/19/11 06:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 306
C
Cecile en Don Wa Offline
Member
Offline
Member
C
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 306
Hello,
Many close-up and detailed photos asking for serious, considered and constructive critique so I would say, for one thing, that an important feature for a good slick is to have a rounded over top side where the user can lay a hand and exert pressure and not have sharp edges digging in there. Conversely, the bench chisels should have somewhat sharp edges up the sides to aid in cutting clean sided mortices. While linseed oil is the right finish for the handles, absolutely no finish is even better.
I think if you were to ask your Swedish blacksmith he would tell you that laminated blades are better quality. This would make these chisels and slicks something special in relation to what is generally available.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26669 06/20/11 12:40 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
nebruks Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
We could make axes as well. I have Gransfors log building axes - so we can make similar too. We can make them from the same Swedish steel they (Gransfors) use to make their well known axes.

If you could send me some pictures and measurements of axes you would need - we could make them.

The Barr Tool chisel prices are user friendly, but I think they are not fully hand forged. For that kind of manufacturing - they use pneumatic hammers. In Gransfors they make some of the tools only by hand - and their prices are third higher than for machine manufactured.

Later I will post here some pictures of the axes we have made.

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice [Re: Cecile en Don Wa] #26670 06/20/11 12:49 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
nebruks Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
Hi Don.

Thanks for your critique. To make the best tool at first I think in the beginning we will make some good tools. It is an evolution. The tools you have seen in the pictures we made just from pictures and information we found over the internet. Before starting serious tool making - I will definetly collect information from serious craftsmen and blacksmith.

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26673 06/20/11 05:05 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
D L Bahler Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
Nebruks,

I would like to see the axes you have made, and I will also try and make up some diagrams with measurements for the axes I mentioned. These axes are specifically adapted to cutting joinery on a timber frame, which is how they are used in Germany and Central Europe.

DLB


Was de eine ilüchtet isch für angeri villech nid so klar.
http://riegelbau.wordpress.com/
Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice [Re: D L Bahler] #26676 06/20/11 09:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
nebruks Offline OP
Member
OP Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 41
Here you can see some of the axes.

Hand Forged Axes

Most of them are hunting axes. The blacksmith makes also Damascus steel swords and knifes.

Re: Hand forged chisels and slicks, looking for advice #26700 06/24/11 07:11 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
D L Bahler Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 946
Those look good, and the twisted adze is curious.

Now, as for the specific types of axes I am speaking of,

The first is the Bundaxt (also Bandhacke, Zimmeraxt)

It has a very narrow bit, 2 to 3, 31/2 inches wide, and the head is very long, maybe 8 inches, with a handle about 31 or 32 inches long. This log is used to cut notches, for hewing, log building ,tenon shaping, etc. and excels at the task.

The head is usually straight, but some older examples have a slight bend downward along the length. Also some older examples are a little bit shorter.

These axes may at times have a nail puller on the pol, and a strengthened pol capable of driving pegs and spikes. But these features are not universal.

I will have more later.


Was de eine ilüchtet isch für angeri villech nid so klar.
http://riegelbau.wordpress.com/
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Jim Rogers, mdfinc 

Newest Members
Bradyhas1, cpgoody, James_Fargeaux, HFT, Wrongthinker
5137 Registered Users
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 5.4.45 Page Time: 0.032s Queries: 15 (0.009s) Memory: 3.2183 MB (Peak: 3.3980 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2024-04-23 23:40:09 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS