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#27446 - 10/21/11 04:24 AM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Ken Hume Offline
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Hi All,

I asked a simple question in the hope that it might inform me a little more on what one can and cannot reasonably do with other people's designs and maybe more importantly (for me) what others can do with my designs. I struggle with this issue.

I suppose that a person can't go wrong if they follow the common sense and courteous aproach outlined above by DLB. Attribution would normally require adding the creator's name followed by "after originator's name" - that way there is no doubt as to ownership of intellectual property or apparent pretence to same.

I don't know what WGAF means and I am now quite frightened to ask or discover in case this is less than complimentary !

Regards

Ken Hume


Edited by Ken Hume (10/21/11 04:24 AM)
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#27448 - 10/21/11 06:01 AM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
bmike Offline
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All, there is a long history in art and architecture schools of copying great works to learn base skills. In 3d modeling especially it is useful to build real world projects. The original post made no mention of trying to build this. Now were they claiming credit. I don't see how this is any different than any of the hundreds of balsa wood models I've seen of various historic timber frames.

Now, if the OP worked up a detailed and measured set of plans and was asking the forum technical questions about how to build it, it would be a different situation.

Ken, perhaps there is something lost in translation, but your post sounded more condemning than questioning.
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#27459 - 10/22/11 08:18 AM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Cecile en Don Wa Offline
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Hello,

I'll tell you what it means Ken, but first you have to promise no ABO threats of some type for translating.

More broadly though, everyone is free to project an interpretation on Ken Hume's or any other posting. Personally I see nothing indicating anything judgmental, simply a straight forward question. Seems fair enough.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff
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#27462 - 10/22/11 03:56 PM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Ken Hume Offline
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Hi All,

Please ease up everybody and I will tell you why I posed the original question.

I recently posted a design for a timber framed firewood store on a UK forum. I was using a forum "nom de plume" rather than my own name and added a note on the design stating "copyright K F Hume 2011". When I checked back the following day I found that my design had been removed by the site moderator. I sent him a note asking him why he had done this and he advised me that the drawing was copyright and could not be posted unless I posted using my own name to make it clear that I owned the copyright to the design.

As stated in my original qustion we all know who owns the copyright to the Golden Bridge design and thus I find myself confused as to why the TFG Forum moderators (and officers) have not acted in a similar fashion to their UK counterparts especially given the very clear guidance provided in Nancy's TFBC client notes.

I find myself quite confused as to what one can and can't do in respect of publication of designs such that intellectual property owners rights are fully respected and / or acknowledged.

Regards

Ken Hume
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#27468 - 10/23/11 03:42 PM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Alpmeadow Offline
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Registered: 12/17/07
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Loc: Golden BC
Golden Greetings
I was at a wonderful event yesterday to celebrate "at the bridge" and learned that I must credit Reid Costley who designed and engineered the project for the Town of Golden and on behalf of the TFG, Ed Levin was the primary contributor to the project design. Reid generously consented to my public representation of a SU model.
There were too many others that were involved in this project to mention, they all must honored for their valued contribution.
If there is anything further needed, please advise. TFG's commitment to community project work, are all tremendous legacies, many thanks, keep up the good work!
Cheers
alpmeadow
Cheers
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#27470 - 10/23/11 11:09 PM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Joel McCarty Offline
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Registered: 03/13/02
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Loc: Alstead Center NH USA
It was indeed a lovely time.

Plenty of gratitude to go around.

A lovely town, and a lovely bridge.

Toasts to our absent friends.

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#27471 - 10/24/11 03:21 AM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
Ken Hume Offline
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Registered: 03/22/02
Posts: 934
Hi Irv,

I am pleased that your event went well and I am also pleased that you have now publically acknowledged the source and inspiration for "your work" however this credit should appear on the images so that persons downloading and viewing same remote from this forum thread will be equally well informed.

Regards

Ken Hume


Edited by Ken Hume (10/24/11 03:23 AM)
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#27479 - 10/24/11 01:32 PM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge [Re: Ken Hume]
DKR Offline
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Ken, it seems to me the difference is that in the drawing you posed on the UK forum you claimed it was copyrighted, so the moderators took it off because they didn't want to get in trouble for posting copyrighted material w/o permission. The images that the OP posted do not say they are copyrighted. If every forum had to worry about taking off photos and images that are of something that is copyrighted, a lot couldn't be posted it seems to me. And surely it isn't the moderator's duty to look at every image, then think "hmmm, is this a copyrighted work," then if they think it is to take steps to find out. So it seems to me the difference is that one image said it was copyrighted and the other did not.

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#27480 - 10/24/11 03:08 PM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge
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I have edited the original post and credited Reid Costley and Ed Levin. While it is true that all work should be credited I think that we are all friends here and no one is about to "steal" someone else's design.

That said, it is my understanding that simply referencing images from another web site is not permission. You must have expressed written permission. I'm quite sure the same is true for all plans and many photographs.

Lastly, I absolutely don't have time to act as copyright cop, and really, do you? Get to work! <-- Said with a smile and a clap on the back!

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#34371 - 02/21/18 09:43 AM Re: Kicking Horse Timber Frame Bridge [Re: Alpmeadow]
Irv Offline
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Registered: 02/20/18
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Golden Greetings
The Kicking Horse Timberframe Bridge in Golden BC(TFG 2001) has been successfully renovated(Ziggy at International Timberframes), and I will attach an image in new message, if I can figure out the a good method.
Previously I was known as alpmeadow but had to renew under new registration. grin
Glad to be back.
Irv

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