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Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Rolland Elliott] #29398 07/09/12 12:22 PM
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Where are you located?


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Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: bmike] #29399 07/09/12 02:43 PM
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property is in York, SC. near charlotte, NC

Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Rolland Elliott] #29400 07/09/12 03:23 PM
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...320&bih=356


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...hMxUE&mvs=0


Lots of timber framers to choose from. Including some TFG members.

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Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: bmike] #29402 07/09/12 05:52 PM
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YES, but most are several hours away. I've gotten one price quote around $25,000 from someone coming 5 hours away. I think I can do it myself and save a lot of $$$. Maybe I'm wrong. I need to do more homework.

right now my idea is to pour a concrete pad, use strong tie 6x6 concrete embedded posts and build the side walls myself and order the trusses from the company i linked to above.

of course most of my ideas are revised many many times LOL.

Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Rolland Elliott] #29403 07/09/12 06:29 PM
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Is this a private or commercial project???

If it's for a non profit, the TFG is always looking for community-service building projects.

Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Joel McCarty] #29404 07/10/12 12:42 AM
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nope not a non profit. thanks anyways.

Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Rolland Elliott] #29414 07/11/12 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rolland Elliott
YES, but most are several hours away. I've gotten one price quote around $25,000 from someone coming 5 hours away. I think I can do it myself and save a lot of $$$. Maybe I'm wrong. I need to do more homework.

right now my idea is to pour a concrete pad, use strong tie 6x6 concrete embedded posts and build the side walls myself and order the trusses from the company i linked to above.

of course most of my ideas are revised many many times LOL.


timber frame often isn't 'cheap', especially when dealing with craftsmen and women.

it can be a cost effective way to cover a given area, when designed properly, and designed to play to its strengths.


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Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: bmike] #29416 07/12/12 03:05 AM
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there seems to be less sharing of timber built designs on the internet. I can google up standard 2x designs no problem. I haven't found a single timber frame design on the internet.

That's the first hurdle.
Even if one can find plans, the materials are all special order or custom made on site. The bigger timber locally is 6x6 or perhaps telephone poles.

I think I'm going to order that tiber framing book for the rest of us book. Author seems to think like me.

I do not mind paying more for a quality product, but so far the only quote I got for timber trusses is $13,600 for 4 trusses spanning 30 feet plus $1400 for delivery. I can get Two By trusses for $2500 locally.

Cost difference is 6x. I'm not sure it is worth 6x the cost.

If it sounds Like I am thinking out loud I am. The amount of info on timber framing is scarce so it is nice to find this forum. Maybe my hopes of making one are unrealilistic.

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Part of the reason for less sharing of designs, is that properly designed timber frames are less easy to modify and adapt than stick frames. If your stud spacing is 400mm O/C then extending a wall is as simply as adding more studs following that pattern. A large opening in a timber frame may be engineered for a specific species and loading. Increasing the span, or changing the timber could take you past the specified loading and risk a collapse of the structure.

Secondly, it's a more specialised skill. The standard tables that can be used for stud and joist spacing don't apply which means that each structure has to be engineered. The maths isn't overly complex, but does go a little beyond simply reading values from a table.

Finally there's a smaller number of designers out there. When researching construction methods for our house I found hundreds of stick frame designs, but it's worth noting that few of the authors of these designs had actually built them, or any other frames.

Timber Framing for the Rest of Us is a good book, but won't get you the ability to use smaller timber. It just replaces the traditional pegged mortise and tenon joints with simple bolted lap joints. You'll still need large timbers to span large areas. Alternatively you could look at a Colombage (French) style construction which makes extensive use of smaller timbers. This may however not fit the aesthestic that you seek and this will be the final problem. If you're just trying to save money, look at stick framing (or roundwood framing, search for Ben Law). If you want that look of open plan spaces bounded by large timbers, then you have no choice.

Re: Help needed with picnic shelter product. [Re: Jon Senior] #29420 07/12/12 12:02 PM
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http://www.grandoakstimberframing.com/timber_frame_store.html

found this place that sells plans might get a set after I do some more reading.

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