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Photo of Carpenters and Kits #29761 10/26/12 01:12 AM
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I saw this photo on the Carpenters Fellowship Forum.
http://www.carpentersfellowship.co.uk/in...1&Itemid=28




I guess this dates from late 19th century to early 20th century.

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Roger W Nair] #29762 10/26/12 08:55 AM
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Hello,
Being one of those who also rarely visits that website anymore since they put up the newer version, with it's striking similarities to the Timber Framers own up to date version, I did see this picture over there, thinking it was a damn good shot but wondering what it could mean - in the literal sense. Is it possible to narrow down the time frame?

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: D Wagstaff] #29764 10/26/12 04:30 PM
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For better resolution click the Carpenters Fellowship link.

D-8 style (in the majority) saw handles put a limit on the years possible, the Disston D-8 was introduced mid 1870's, so when could D-8's takeover the majority of saws in the chests. At about 1875 the Millers Falls company started marketing cast iron miter boxes. Transitional wood planes again date from the 1870's onward.

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Roger W Nair] #29765 10/26/12 10:11 PM
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I'd been wondering if the relative youth of the crew told us much, but the tooling dating to a minimum of ten years after the war suggests a lost generation has little to do with the makeup of the group pictured.

It is a little outside of the norm in such photos, for no one to be holding a framing square - denoting themselves as Master Carpenter and Crew Boss.

Or did he in this case choose his prized possession? Is that a strait edge or a story pole, what is that thing?

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Will_T] #29766 10/26/12 10:21 PM
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Hello,

Having trouble logging in over there on the tor network so I'll just do it the normal way.

In fact I don't believe it is a picture of carpenters at all but rather the scene of a crime. What else could explain that pair of boots, sole up, there on the right hand side and the lack of any signs of actual construction?

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff

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Soles of boots are indicative of criminal activity?

It is not improbable that that House and outbuildings centered well behind the pictured toolchests and owners, (There appear to be seven of each to me) is the backdrop for this photo, and was chosen with purpose - Suggesting to me that it was probably of this crews construction - A from this we built this message and moment in time.

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Will_T] #29769 10/26/12 11:34 PM
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Young and old with equality of provision suggests, to me, a family crew with the patriarch with sons and sons in law, the family place in the background. This reminds me of so many old photos where no one ever smiles.

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Roger W Nair] #29771 10/27/12 09:17 AM
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Hello,

Ok, tor network is functioning. I am on the web in full anonymity.
I'll just bring that picture along for the convenience.

The separation of the subject and the object is to wide to portray a specific linkage, they both exist in isolation from one another.

These people were generalists doing everything from framing to detailed profile work.

In my subjective view I see strong resemblances of facial characteristics between the men so think Roger's right about the family business. You rarely see smiles in these pictures because exposure times for the camera were to long to sustain the effort.

It's not only the soles of shoes we look at there but what supports them in that particular position and what is behind the tool box. It does suggest someone laying down on the job at least.

Greetings,

Don Wagstaff

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Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: D Wagstaff] #29772 10/27/12 12:50 PM
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I guess I don't see a great range in age, Twenty years maybe, and this disparity having mostly to do with the oldest and youngest. The man with the whatzit on the left looks to me to be something under forty, the apprentice on the opposite end is in his early teens, those in between all appear to be in their twenties to me.

Could the shoes be representative of someone who was not there, some former member of the group recently passed?

It looks like the young apprentice is levitating them to me.

Re: Photo of Carpenters and Kits [Re: Will_T] #29773 10/28/12 02:50 PM
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One more piece in the dating puzzle, there appears to be a small case on the ground with a combination plane set similar to the Stanley 45 or 55. The 45 was first produced in 1884 and the 55 was introduced in 1899.

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