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Japanes pull saws #9434 01/26/07 08:37 PM
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I have been recommended to acquire a japanese pull saw. Has anyone ever found this family of saws useful in timber framing? They look somewhat minature for cutting big joints, but maybe suitable for fine finishing?

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Re: Japanes pull saws #9435 01/26/07 09:09 PM
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There are a a variety of sizes available. From tiny to large.

The larger ones are not as easily aquired but suitable for timber-framing.

There are also different sets and filing of the teeth depending on the wood you are working (hard vs. soft).

I like the vendor Hida Tools they are on the web at www.hidatool.com.


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I have been using the folding style pull saw designed for pruning and tree triming. These saws have replacable blades and fold up to protect the blades and your fingers.I would reccomend either the Silky Gomboy or the Tajima GK-G240. Tom

Here are a couple links:
Silky saw
Tajima Tools


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I have a 300mm saw with crosscut on one side and rip on the other. They leave very smooth cuts and are very precise. However I find them to be slow for larger cuts. Most of the time I use my Stanley 26" Sharptooth saw which has the same tooth pattern, but cuts on the push stroke. The 26" saw has more than twice the cutting length which I find is faster. This saw also rips quite well.

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The pull saws are great but it is a matter of personal preference. The Silky Gomboy (210 or 240mm) folding saw is great to have in your tool belt on a raising. The now have a saw called Silky Master. The largest of these is 330mm. It has a long straight handle and cuts beautifully. It is not as aggressive for large timbers as the largest Japanese timber saws but is very useful in cutting joinery. It has a replaceable blade. The finer quality handmade Japanese saws work very nicely but are tricky to impossible to sharpen yourself. I understand (but am not certain) that you can send them to Hida for sharpening but it is a long turnaround time (>1 month). The best web prices I've found are at orchardsedge.com and they ship promptly. I recommend buying replacement blades at the time you buy the saw and you also save $ if you buy 3 blades at once.

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I got a 340mm model like Dave's from The Japan Woodworker catalog and absolutely love it.
The catalog is online at http://www.japanwoodworker.com/

It's a bit more agressive than the 300mm model, still leaves a very nice surface and cuts very precisely. This entire joint was cut with it, as you can see I have almost no cleanup to do.



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Thankyou everyone for thiis feedback.

Raphael, just to be clear: did you do the rip and cross cutting with the same saw?


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Re: Japanes pull saws #9441 01/27/07 10:34 PM
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Yup, it's a traditional two sided saw with rip teeth on one side and cross cut teeth on the other.


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Re: Japanes pull saws #9442 01/28/07 01:23 AM
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If given the choice of a variety of hand saws I would always go for the Japanese pull saws. Cuts very precise, clean, quickly and with little effort. As with any well designed tool they do come with a higher price tag than conventional saws but it is money well spend.

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The saw Raphael and I are talking about is called a Ryoba, which has both rip and crosscut teeth. I got mine locally, but Woodcraft Supply has a good selection of Japanese saws.

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