chalk or ink?
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03/07/07 12:29 PM
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Whit Holder
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Just curious about what y'all are lining your sticks with--chalk or ink? What color? How often are your lines visible in the finished frame?
We have been using black chalk for a while. Not nearly as messy as ink and perhaps more permanent. I have had ink fade/smudge after a rain. But the black chalk leaves a fine clean line that sticks around.
I recently found red chalk lines on some old square ruled timbers. The lines were still visible after about 150 years. Two lines on each face, as Jack Sobon describes.
We typically leave the lines when we can. This depends on the nature of the job and what is called for in the specs, but I personally like to see the lines and marks left behind by the carpenter.
Whit
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/07/07 03:50 PM
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Raphael D. Swift
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It's only very recently that I purchased a fine chalk line for precise work, it came preloaded with blue chalk and that's what I already have on hand for my older lines.
I find snapping precise lines over 8' or so is a challenge when working solo so I stretch a masons cord down my timber and pick useful pairs of points along the cord. My lines are then inked on with a fine point rollerball pen (usually black) and straight edge only in the areas I need them.
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/08/07 03:03 AM
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Ron Mansour
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Whit and Raphael, where are you getting the "fine clean line" to line your timbers? I really want something more precise than the standard "rope" that came with my chalk box. Thanks...
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/08/07 04:36 AM
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Dave Shepard
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Ron, I have a Tajima fine line, which is much more precise than the ordinary chalk line. Hida tools offers Japanese lines that may be even finer. Try looking up Hida Tools, I don't have the web address handy.
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/08/07 12:11 PM
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Whit Holder
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I have a blue chalk box that I got from lee valley a few years ago, and it has a pin point on the end. I have been happy with the line it leaves. I don't think they are selling it any more, but below is a link to the self-retracting one they have now.
I have also seen the Tajima boxes that Raphael was referring to and they look good.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=49715&cat=1,42936,50298&ap=1
We recently built a colonial frame and used fat lines to recreate what the carpenters would have used. It is not a problem if you consistently reference the center of the line. That being said, I prefer to work with a fine line, and it minimizes the visual impact of lines in the finished frame.
Whit
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/08/07 03:25 PM
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Mark Davidson
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the line that Whit makes reference to I also use and recommend. Just buy some extra line when you order your "box" as the fine line wears out relatively fast. Having a line that self-retracts is a definite bonus if you are snapping a lot of lines. I use black most often and red if I make a mistake with the black. I usually plane off the chalk lines and whatever layout lines after the joinery is done.... if it is not possible to plane the timber after joinery, as in old barn beams, I would use the technique Raphael describes, pinning a line to the timber and using the line itself as a layout tool.
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/08/07 04:24 PM
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Raphael D. Swift
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Believe it or not I found mine at the local lumberyard/hardware store, it's a different model Tajima from that Lee Valley chalk line. I was picking up J bolts one day and there they were at the check out counter, available with .5mm or .3mm? lines. It has a 3:1 gear ratio hand cranked return.
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/09/07 02:49 AM
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Ron Mansour
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you guys are great, thanks for the help. Ron
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/09/07 01:45 PM
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Jim Rogers
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To make a very fine line you need to use a different line than what comes in a standard chalk line. The line to use is a braided Dacron, normally a fishing line. I have tons of it if someone wants to get a couple of hundred feet....
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Re: chalk or ink?
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03/10/07 02:00 AM
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jeff hanson
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I have to agree with Jim, an old chalk line and braided fishing line works great. I would like to know if anyone has any tricks for snapping lines on visual faces. We are doing a job that is rough sawn with just a light sanding. Stringing a line and marking all the lines at all the joinery for layout is too slow and I'm afraid the lines will show up being we are only knocking down the slivers during sanding. I know black will never come off, red we call forever red, and I still have blue chalk that I thought would wear off on the patio's around our house. We've used white before and it seems it wears off the easist. Any solutions?
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