There might be something to that toivo. I've never tried it but have watched an old tiehack use that technique. I don't use an adze much and keep meaning to get some shinguards but the same focus has worked so far. The tiehack did pull up his pants leg and showed me a terrible adze scar though. NH, I didn't want you to think we were ignoring your request. I imagine others are in the same quandry as me, just can't think of where to start, this entire thread has been a pleasure. Best of the season to all!