oh, I don't know Gabel. It's not bad entertainment actually. I mean, I sat in front of the TV last night for a couple of hours and got less chuckles than I did from reading this thread through.... I like the fact that, so far, this forum stays open to all the posts that come in and therefore folks can read through and take what information they like away.. In this thread I found myself going back to Ken Hume's post to read again. Repair can be a tough task and I know that sinking feeling when you've already spent money working for someone and you find yet another rotten piece of wood....